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Open Sessions Program_At the Drawing Center_NY_Aug.2017
James----------
I consider drawing to be very future oriented. For me, drawings exist at a greater level of abstraction and dematerialization than sculptures, paintings, or music. By removing most of the materiality of an image, reducing it to only lines and shapes, the artist frees the viewer...
Open Sessions Program_At the Drawing Center_NY_Aug.2017
James----------
I consider drawing to be very future oriented. For me, drawings exist at a greater level of abstraction and dematerialization than sculptures, paintings, or music. By removing most of the materiality of an image, reducing it to only lines and shapes, the artist frees the viewer to fill in the details, the physicality, or even the context for themselves. This is why drawing is appealing to me, I can speculate wildly and be indifferent to consequences. Drawing is theoretical. It shares a vocabulary with schematics, diagrams, instructions, and visual coding environments. In other words, it is one of many flexible systems that could guide physical construction. The power of drawing is that it is NOT final, it is debatable. Drawing creates a space for things that should not or cannot be fully realized (yet). In this sense drawing could be closer to language than to painting or sculpture.
Speaking of, a lot of your work collapses the boundaries between text and image. Though I can't "read" them because I don't know Chinese, I was curious about how you generally approach working with language?
Moqing--------------
Drawing may seem low-tech to some, but its conciseness attracts me a lot. Rather than building a heavy object, I’m always fascinated by the idea of using the little to represent the big, using emptiness to reflect presence. So when I draw, I use as few words as I can. You mentioned that “The power of drawing is that it is NOT final, it is debatable”. It is appealing to me and it’s also where the magic lies.
The drawing is never seeking a perfect result, but always a very fresh process of looking for the new motif. Drawing is curious, drawing is exciting, since it’s closer to our rough inspiration and closer to our instincts. Sometimes, your idea emerges along with your pencil’s gesture, so the work couldn’t be planed.It shows the “thinking” deep rooted in yourself, but you have little time to think about it before the next line comes out.A drawing just happens then.
For me personally, drawing contains more privacy than other visual forms. When I draw a tree, a couple of dancers, or some anonymous space, I feel as if I’m writing to an intimate. A drawing is just like a letter, not thesis.The conceptions are not all, your tone and internal rhythm matters as much as your idea.
Nowadays and in the future, the more A.I. develops, its blind spots will be more obvious. Then We’ll have the chance to revalue “what is arts-like” and “what is arts for human-being” in a new context. The ability of expression with high tech is impressive to me, still, it’s not equal to the desire of saying, drawing and singing, the basic things that we learned as kids..
As you mentioned, the relation between text and image is also one of my interests. Although the characters from “On the edge of Clouds” are Chinese, I couldn’t read them myself. Since they are written automatically, not even a complete sentence inside. You could consider them as a kind of background sound. Imagine you sit inside a house, and listen while someone is talking on the street, but you can’t hear the conversation clearly. It’s a common sense that language is a means of communication. However, when language closes the door towards meaning, does it actually open another dimension of communication?Suppose we’re in front of an Ancient Egyptian stele without needing to understand it, is it beautiful? At this moment, letters talk as drawings.
The black and white works from you(what’s the name for this series?), for me are exciting and suspenseful with a kind of humour. Someone said narrative would limit visual art, which I couldn't fully agree. I noticed there are figures and shadows in your drawings, it makes me wonder about the "hidden story" of them. Is there any personal story behind them? Or do you consider them partly originating from narrative, or not? If so, how do you balance the "plot part" and your "visual interest"?
James————
The potential for hidden stories is very important for me. when I'm constructing the narrative behind a drawing, my first questions are about the degree of ambiguity and uncertainty in the imagery. If I let the viewer think they know something about the story my drawing might tell, its usually just as a way to further emphasize what is NOT known.
I don’t believe there is such a thing as certainty, I think every signal contains noise. So as an artist, I want to not only accept inevitable confusion, but understand it, work with it and master it. I delineate the unknowns as precisely as the knowns.
The stories in my drawings are not autobiographical. But I recognize that my hand is very present in the work, and that when I'm being aggressively vague or aggressively weird, I'm drawing attention to myself as the mind behind the drawing. For better or worse, this is just part of my personality. I want people to pay attention to me, I like to be visible. But the crucial difference is that I want to focus on the qualities of my personality rather than the autobiographical aspects of who I am. This tends to come through in the moods and feelings of my work. I am visible on an emotional level rather than on a narrative level.
In terms of narratives limiting visual forms, there's a question about what comes first. For me, a story causes forms that are strange, a story creates warped visuals. Without a story to guide me I could never arrive at certain visual forms. Of course the two (story and visuals) inform each other, and could create an absurd feedback loop.
You mentioned the development of AI, and the potential for art to reveal the limitations of machine thinking. Questions about the role and capabilities of humans in an automated context interest me too. You mentioned that drawing can seem low tech, and your work seems to relate to specific and ancient traditions from art history, such as landscape painting. But there is also a way in which your work looks very technological, like schematics or diagrams. How do you relate to time and to art history? Do you think of your work as being futuristic?
Moqing————————
Have you noticed? Those works which remind you of traditional landscape paintings, are actually younger than the ones which may seem more modern with elements of diagrams. Is this surprising to you?
In general, the new technical and digital age influences us in direct and indirect ways. For example, writers used to write with pens, now many of them use the computer. This is a direct way; on the other hand, since the production and acquisition of new images has become such an easy thing, this can be repeated more and more. At the same time, however, art from ancient times shows its diversity. I’m more influenced by the second way.
“Being new” is the golden rule of our contemporary art. But when everybody worships the king of “new”, “being new” becomes a new doctrine, ”being new” makes art lose its freedom again. What do you think? For me, oldness and newness are never the first things to consider. The me making videos wouldn’t look down on the me drawing with an ink brush, and vice versa. Concerning the sketch work that I’m doing, certainly, there are thousands of good artists who did excellent landscape paintings before, so I’m on an old topic. And when I draw with pencil in a “realistic” way, its also not my invention. But I feel the need to acquire the connections between the trees, the space, the flow and myself with drawing. And that’s what matters.Even if the work brings something new, it’s just the by-product. Innovation plays little role in my intention to draw.
Past and future are both unknown to me, and both of them bring me the possibilities of imagination. There are two things that I learned from art history. The first is, our ancestors share very similar feelings with us in their art. The second is, merely that no art is categorically original. Every piece is being influenced by others. In this sense, I consider personal affective reasons even more essential than one’s conception. Either the best traditional art or the best contemporary art won’t live without this honesty.
And how does ”future“ influence you and your art?
James—————
To me the future is threatening, I think the next century will be uniquely dangerous and horrifying. Its understood that development in science and technology has far outpaced meager advances in politics, ethics, and culture. Thus we have a number of “double edged sword” crises in which technologies already in wide use come with obvious dangers. The list is as long as it is familiar: nuclear power/nuclear weapons, climate destruction brought on by industrial agriculture, dependence on the internet paired with viral misinformaton, etc. etc. These potential catastrophes have been talked about so exhaustively that they seem almost banal. I’m not sure if artists can combat these issues directly, but what is possible is to place yourself in their vicinity, to steal and rework the imagery. Science periodically makes familiar things strange, it shatters its own paradigms and re-contextualizes empirical data. I think art also has these powers. Science demands the abandonment of certain assumptions, while art is good at exposing biases and weakening assumptions. This is a crucial gesture in my work, taking a familiar situation and making it strange. Strange-making as way to create emphasis. Focusing on industry and infrastructure, looking at nature in a counter-intuitive way, these are primitive experiments in thinking about things I find completely overwhelming.
I also am skeptical of newness for its own sake, and agree that newness is really a question about being honest with yourself. What does it mean to have an intense and real relationship to your own artwork? I think if an artist is willing to make work that's genuinely important to them, and not simply important to a tradition, the work will be an effortless synthesis of new and old, because it will be as contemporary as their life. It will be as unique as the circumstances that formed their personality.
How do you decide your direction, do you have a particular way of choosing artistic commitments?
James Mercer
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SUN Moqing, By my Window, Video 3’34”,2017
SUN Moqing, By my Window, Video 3’34”,2017
SUN Moqing, By my Window, Video 3’34”,2017
SUN Moqing, By my Window, Video 3’34”,2017
SUN Moqing, By my Window, Video 3’34”,2017
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《浪间之静:那里的自然需要穿越阻碍》
文:Filippo Fabrocini; 翻译:岳凌飞、远木
“空”,的观念一直是理解以往中国传统艺术的核心门钥,这对于理解孙墨青的艺术而言画作来说,几乎也一样至关重要。对于西方读者而言,“空”可以理解被看做是“为指向未知”(“unknown”),和“指向存在”(“being”)的近义词,纵然它在东方有其更多的含义,这种存在具有在...
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Some encounters are more significant than others. At the time of the first 55Bellechasse gallery retrospective, two young men walked into the gallery, and in an almost religious silence contemplate, the one after the other, all the photos that we had on show. After more than an hour, one of them, Moging SUN, asked in an awkward English whe...
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《未知探秘——我看孙墨青的绘画》 菲利普•费布希尼
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我与孙墨青第一次相识是在中国北京的清华园。一番简短地交谈过后,就去看他的作品。虽是只言片语的交流,于我而言却引发了不少期待。见到原作,它们果然与我的期待十分契合。
乡愁,一直是孙墨青艺术行旅的内在动因。他的艺术冥思,倾注于重新发现他自身文化的上游文脉。他深信,中国注定要观想世界,而非溶化为世界本身,这一点是睿智的。依我所见,他也能以世..
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La première fois que j’ai rencontré Sun Moqing, c’était à l’Université de Tsinghua (Pékin, Chine). J’y suis allé pour regarder les travaux d’une de ses collègues. En fait, c’est elle qui m’a présenté Sun Moqing. Ma visite suivante à Tsinghua, c’était pour voir les travaux de Sun Moqing. Ils étaient absolument conformes aux attentes qui d...
La première fois que j’ai rencontré Sun Moqing, c’était à l’Université de Tsinghua (Pékin, Chine). J’y suis allé pour regarder les travaux d’une de ses collègues. En fait, c’est elle qui m’a présenté Sun Moqing. Ma visite suivante à Tsinghua, c’était pour voir les travaux de Sun Moqing. Ils étaient absolument conformes aux attentes qui découlaient des quelques mots échangés lors de notre précédente rencontre. La Nostalgie est un leitmotiv constant de la production artistique de Sun Moqing. L’art de Sun Moqing se concentre totalement sur la redécouverte des racines culturelles de son propre pays, la Chine. Il pense fermement et justement que la Chine doit regarder le monde sans devenir le monde. Pourtant, de mon point de vue, il est également capable de regarder la Chine depuis le monde.
Le principal sujet de son art est, en apparence, uniquement la nature. En fait, il utilise les montagnes, les arbres, les nuages, etc., seulement pour refléter son âme. Son art est entièrement dévolu à l’exploration de « l’inconnu » de son âme. Ici, l’inconnu n’est pas simplement l’inconscient freudien. L’inconnu est le domaine magique et flou des archétypes de la culture chinoise revisités à la lumière d’un modèle de personnalité correspondant à l’époque à laquelle appartient Sun Moqing. L’inconnu est l’archétype collectif de la culture et de l’histoire chinoises telles que dépeintes dans de nombreuses représentations des siècles passés. C’est pour cette raison que Sun Moqing est si intéressé dans le mythe et ses représentations. Selon Jung, les archétypes sont fondamentalement constants parmi les différentes cultures alors que leurs représentations varient dans le temps et l’espace. Les représentations variables des archétypes sont le point de rencontre par lequel les archétypes se connectent à l’art et à l’époque dans laquelle cette œuvre particulière se situe. Sun Moqing est principalement intéressé par l’exploration de l’inconnu tel que montré par les représentations artistiques de l’histoire de l’art chinois, un sujet que Sun Moqing traite avec nostalgie et respect. Explorer la mythologie chinoise signifie donc explorer l’inconnu de l’inconscient collectif chinois. Ainsi, il signifie également explorer « l’inconnu » tout court, cet inconnu qui est caché et coincé dans l’âme de chaque être humain.
C’est pourquoi Sun Moqing semble plus intéressé par la zone floue bordant les frontières des peintures chinoises sur parchemin. C’est là dans ce « locus », dans lequel finalement le ciel et l’eau semblent mystérieusement fusionner, que l’attention de Sun Moqing est dirigée. C’est là que son imagination aime redécouvrir ces représentations. Son voyage part des mythes pour arriver finalement à l’ « incolore », au « blanc », au « vide ». Quel est l’incolore alors ? Sun Moqing n’a pas de réponse. Selon lui, l’art est fascinant car il ne produit jamais de réponse définitive. Je suis d’accord avec lui. Ainsi, l’incolore dont il parle me fait revenir aux mots de Heart Sutra dans lequel le concept est énoncé en affirmant : « La forme est le vide, le vide est la forme. Le vide n’est pas séparé de la forme, la forme n’est pas séparée du vide. Quel que soit la forme est vide, quel que soit le vide est forme ». J’ai le sentiment que Sun Moqing ne peut pas vraiment éviter sa propre histoire et sa propre culture. C’est ce qui fait de lui un artiste très excitant dans ce monde de plus en plus globalisé et tristement de plus en plus uniforme.
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The first time I have met Sun Moqing was in Tsinghua University (Beijing, China). I went there to have a look at the works of a colleague of him. Actually it was her that presented Sun Moqing to me. Next time that I was in Tsinghua it was to have a look at the works of Sun Moqing. They were absolutely conform to the expectations coming from the few words tha...
The first time I have met Sun Moqing was in Tsinghua University (Beijing, China). I went there to have a look at the works of a colleague of him. Actually it was her that presented Sun Moqing to me. Next time that I was in Tsinghua it was to have a look at the works of Sun Moqing. They were absolutely conform to the expectations coming from the few words that we had been exchanging so far during our previous meeting. Nostalgia is a constant leitmotiv of the artistic production of Sun Moqing. The art of Sun Moqing is all focused on rediscovering the cultural roots of his own country, China. He firmly and correctly believes that China must look at the world without becoming the world. Yet, in my view, he is able as well to look at China from the world.
The main subject of his art is only apparently nature. Actually he makes use of mountains, trees, clouds, etc., only to mirror his soul. His art is all devoted to explore the “unknown” of his soul. Yet the unknown is not simply the Freudean unconscious. The unknown is the magic and fuzzy realm of the archetypes of Chinese culture re-visited in the light of a model of a personality coherent with the time in which Sun Moqing was born and presently lives. The unknown is the collective archetypes of Chinese culture and history as they live in the many representations of the past centuries. This is why Sun Moqing is so interested in the myth and in its representations. According to Jung, the archetypes are basically constant among the different cultures while their representations vary along the time/space. The variable representations of archetypes are the point in which archetypes connect with art and with the temporal/spatial place in which that specific work of art is situated. Sun Moqing is basically interested in exploring the unknown as it shows itself along the artistic representations of Chinese history of art, a topic which Sun Moqing deals with nostalgia and respect. Exploring Chinese mythology means then exploring the “unknown” of the Chinese collective unconscious. Yet it means as well to explore the “unknown” tout court, that unknown which is hidden and trapped in the soul of any human being.
This is why Sun Moqing seems more interested in the fuzzy area surrounding the boundaries of Chinese handscroll paintings. It is there, in this “locus”, in which finally sky and water seem mysteriously merge, that the attention of Sun Moqing is directed. It is there that his imagination likes to rediscover these representations. His journey starts from the myths to arrive finally at the “colorless”, at the “blank”, at the “emptiness”. What is the colorless then? Here Sun Moqing does not have any answer. According to him, art is fascinating because it does not produce any definitive answer. I agree with him. Yet the colorless about which he is speaking makes me to come back to the words of the Heart Sutra, in which this concept is articulated by saying: “Form is emptiness, emptiness is form. Emptiness is not separate from form, form is not separate from emptiness. Whatever is form is emptiness, whatever is emptiness is form”.
I have the feeling that Sun Moqing cannot really avoid his own history and culture. This is what makes him a very exciting artist in this more and more globalized and sadly uniform world.
Filippo Fabrocini
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Quand vous lirez ces mots, ma pensée aura encore évolué depuis le début de mon travail que je vous expose ci-après.
Les époques se retrouvent et se correspondent à travers plusieurs cas.
La personne qui a peint le premier rhinocéros dans la Grotte Chauvet en France n’a probablement pas imaginé qu’elle était à l’origine du grand livre de ...
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When you read these asides, I must have felt different from what I felt when I wrote them.
Days are linked by one after another happenchance intermittently. No one could have imagined that some unknown primitive man (he or she, perhaps as young as me) who drew the outline of the first rhino in the dim light of the torches in the Chauvet...
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“卷”——不存在的边界
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在你们读到这些旁白的时候,我的心情一定已经和写下它们时大不相同了。
日子被一个又一个偶然断续着串起,某个不知姓名的原始人在法国肖韦洞窟里,借着火把的微光勾勒出第一头犀牛的时候,大概想象不到是他——她,或许他和我一样年轻,最早翻开了人类艺术的大书。
在我的故乡中国,曾经有一种书画形式已经延续了不少于一千五百年的历史,那就是“卷”。曾几...
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