Jim· 喵· Caviezel【中英】演员一线间
翻译：节糙都被狗吃了
审校：纯良多水仙人掌是Mello不是个瓜
JC通过“演” 去获得一个演戏的机会。在他年轻的时候曾设计让人们认为他是一个刚移民来的意大利人，从而在电影《我私人的爱达荷》中获得一个小角色。接着他被茱利亚艺术学院录取，随后不久在《执法悍将》中与Kevin Costner 同台演出。JC 谈论了他和著名影星例如Sean Penn，Nick Nolte 以及那位传奇导演Terrence Malick的合作的感受。他也提到了对《拯救大兵瑞恩》的看法，并解释了退出演艺界的可能性与其他希望从事的职业。
■ 让我们先谈谈《细细的红线》这部电影的导演Terrence Malick，他究竟是个怎样的人?
他是个非常非常和善的人，就算是临时演员，他都会像对我、Sean Penn 、Nick Nolte一样一视同仁。作为一个导演他就像一个农夫，他会确保土壤已经达到了最适宜种植的程度，而我们就像他的庄稼，他细心照料的庄稼。他工作起来很用心，一般会从早上四点半一直到晚上十二点，而且还经常打电话说:“我们还得在你的口音上多下些功夫。“ 这作风非常好。
同时他还是个伟大的倾听者，记名字很有一套。就算你的名字超长超拐他也能记住，非常厉害。并且他导演的方式方法每天都在变化，某一天你也许会觉得这个人很好相处，而另一天他又会变得非常教条。不过我很喜欢这种不知道下一秒他会有什么变化的感觉。就像有一天他对我说:“Jim，今天还没定布景，而且我手头也没剧本，不过我大概清楚你和Sean之间肯定有点什么，所以就让我们来努力想想清楚吧。”接着我们就坐下然后不断假想这个还不存在的场景。
这真的是控制状态下的混乱，他还喜欢让我们就像画作一样在他周围立着。有些人会抱怨。比如我们得爬上山，然后步行到距离拖车40分钟脚程的地方，就因为他想看到我们在那儿。不过这其实很困难，因为那里很热，每天华氏大概100度（约37.8摄氏度），并且湿度又非常大。他呢就会让你在那里像一幅他正在描绘的画一样保持着。而当他结束了他的创作，他也就完成了这个作品，这个场景。
■ 作为一个新人，当你知道你要和一群知名影星一起演Terrence Malick的电影,同时还要担任一个重要角色的时候是怎么想的？
难以置信，简直就是个奇迹。我绝对是中了头彩，至少现在是。没有语言能够形容那段神奇的经历。Terry Malick敢于给我这样一个角色，其实他大可不必。有那么多比我更适合的人，而且他们资历更深。除开两次试演，我也没有证据向他证明过我可以胜任这个角色。但是他却肯用他的名誉来冒险，和他合作的这段经历美好的根本无法言喻。
■ 他有没有向你提过为什么会选择你？
他不会那样做，大概他只是直觉上觉得我和我所扮演的角色有些许相似的地方。其实当你了解了以后，你会发现这部电影中的演员都或多或少的和他们的角色有相似之处。我不能说我跟我所扮演的人物一样伟大，毕竟我不是他。但是我也对未来抱有信心。我一直努力做到最好。我爱我的国家，我坚持人道主义，这也许就是我和我的角色的相似之处。
而Sean Penn，他也像极了他所扮演的人物Welsh。他凶猛起来就像一条毒蛇，但在下一个场景他又可以抓起你把你扛到他肩上。我不知道电影的灵感是不是这样来的，但是他跑出去然后扛起那个人的场面其实就是他本人会做的事。他这个人吧，你爱他，有时恨不得揍他，有时就想抱着他狂啃。你为了他可以做任何事。【看到男神对着别人男人发表激烈情感言论的时候，是翻译最开心的时候好嘛，要强烈的把男神的情感更加放大~~然后打开大家的脑洞~~~（泥垢】
■ 你有没有想过你不会有成就，有没有考虑过放弃演戏？
我不想放弃演戏，但是我也隐隐觉得自己不会出人头地。我发现我并不打算改变我自己，我一直都很清楚的知道我是谁。我并不想为了周围而改变，我喜欢按照上帝所赐于我样子来坚持自我。即使在好莱坞，我也会尽力保持着和在家中一样的状态，对我来说快乐和开心就是最重要的。就像我遇到了我的妻子，她是个比我好太多的人。我是何其幸运才能与她在一起，我知道我接下来的人生都会因为她的存在而变得幸福美满。有人对我说：“这里到处都是诱惑。”我对他们说：“拿出最难以抗拒的诱惑，来挑战我试试看。”我不是故作清高，我只是不想对妻子不忠，我永远不会欺骗她，我承担不起谎言的后果。我绝不会回忆着婚礼去感叹什么“我们曾经如此相爱”，我们确实曾经相爱，但现在我爱她更深。这才是真正的幸福。我想和她相守着慢慢变老。但无论相守与否，每个生活方式都有各自的好处。比如有人会说：“嘿，谁知道外面是不是还有我没试过的，我得尝尝看。”但是我要告诉你，我已经找到于我而言的幸福。
■ 如果你放弃了演戏你会做什么？
大概会像我父亲一样当一个脊椎按摩师。也许我会将演戏当作一个兼职。但我现在也像我父亲一样将心思放在了我孩子的身上。我父亲在我们身上投入了大把的时间。尤其还有我的母亲，正是她一如既往的陪伴着我们才让我们一家人关系仍旧亲密。五个月前我父亲做了心脏手术，我简直吓坏了，我们都不知道他能不能挺过来。他是个沉默内敛的人，我从没见他哭过。我告诉他“我很害怕”的时候，我发现他也是，因为他的手在颤抖，他说：“如果我离开，那是上帝的旨意，但我想活着，我还要看《细细的红线》，我还要看你演的电影。“
■ 如果这部电影以后让你变得非常出名，你觉得继续保持自我会有多难？
我曾说过，一生中有很多事你永远都不会去做。如果有人问起，比如就像我从不打算去脱衣舞夜总会，我不想受到诱惑，所以我不会去那里。如果我身边有个吸引我的女人，生理上，我会有冲动，但是我会确保身处于公共场合，这样我就不会做什么。我会控制自己，任何事都不会发生。你要问我有没有对其他女人有过感觉，那我肯定有。我是正常人，和别人没什么不同，区别是我不会有行动。我会自我克制，如果有了杂念，我会对自己说“嘿，想都别想。“
■ 你看过《拯救大兵瑞恩么》？
我看了三遍，这是个杰作。有人之前问我：“ 你是不是并不希望这部电影能表现得这么好？”我说：“当然不是。“ 我认为最重要的是要让每一代人都意识到战争的残忍。超过5600万人死于二战，这些军人的经历警示我们不能再重蹈覆辙。
当我从瓜达康纳尔岛（Guadalcanal）回来，之后再看这部片子的时候，我哭了。一开始我只是感到麻木，直到14个小时后，我才崩溃了。我在岛上看到了那些退伍的军人，一对老兵向我打招呼，其中一个打完招呼然后转过身，我听见了他的哭声，接着他道歉，我说不要道歉，接着他说道：“不，你不明白，你就是我们，这里，在这个我们曾经呆过的地方，你让我想起了我们自己。”
■ 你能讲讲和二战那些退伍军人相处感受么？
电影开拍前，在肯塔基州我花过一段时间和这些老兵相处，我还做了很多调查。我和那里的男孩子们相处了一段时间，他们告诉我在那里长大是怎样的。他们说：“我以前每天上下学大概要来回走几英里。“有些孩子每天要走五英里，他们要扛着枪，没有人会来找碴。他们会经常打猎， 有自己的养鸡场，虽然有足够的食物但是他们还是很贫苦。我也只能了解到这么多。？
■ 那些老兵们会在片场看着么？
不，这些人只是告诉我他们的经历，比如在瓜达康纳尔岛以及菲律宾群岛，有些还会跟我讲讲德国以及诺曼底登陆。但真正的退伍军人，都会爬上瓜达康纳尔岛的小山去朝拜。他们熬过的那段日子，几乎要摧毁他们。很多人来朝拜是为了看看战友牺牲的地方。
■ 他们受欢迎么？
是的，每次他们出现的时候Terry都会非常欢迎他们，他还经常会问这些老兵：“你们认为这里还需要什么改进么？”这就是Malick的聪明之处，他知道可以怎样充分运用这些老兵的经历。
■ 你家里有人参与过二战么？
我两个叔叔在曾在越南呆过，我叔祖父经历过一战，二战的时候是我的几个表亲。至于我母亲的兄弟们，他们没有参战，因为当时他们已经太老了。更惨烈的是当时的太阳战役。我们没有机关枪，他们甚至都没有遇到过机关枪。他们只能爬起来跑出战壕，在短短一周内可能就会失去几百上千的兄弟。
■ 《细细的红线》这个题目寓意是什么呢？
这是一个理智与疯狂的细线。人们穿过的那条红线，我希望你知道，有些人因此患上了超人综合症。他们只能这样来承受。有些人疯了，真的疯了，他们被送到精神病院，他们没法再控制自己。有些人永远不会去伤害别人的性命，没有人想伤害别人，然而不杀人就会被杀。这就会成为理智与疯狂之间细细的那条线。
原文：
A Fine Line to Stardom
David Poland
Rougt Cut 1999.01.13
Caviezel describes his experiences with Malick and war
Jim Caviezel needed to "act" to get into acting. While a teenager, he tricked casting agents into thinking he was a recent Italian immigrant to get a small role in My Own Private Idaho. He was later accepted into the performing arts school, Juilliard, and soon afterward starred opposite Kevin Costner in Wyatt Earp. Caviezel talks about his experiences working alongside big-name stars such as Sean Penn and Nick Nolte and reclusive director Terrence Malick. He also notes his reaction to Saving Private Ryan and explains his alternate choice in profession, should he quit acting.
Let's start with the great mystery of The Thin Red Line. What's Terrence Malick really like?
He is an extremely kind, kind man. You would see an extra walk along and he would treat the extras as well as he would treat me or Sean Penn or Nick Nolte or anybody. As far as a director is concerned, he's like a farmer. He likes to make sure the soil is tilled right and we're, like, his crop. He really takes care of his crop. He works real hard. He works from, like, 4:30 in the morning till 12 at night, and it's never done. And he's always calling you up and saying that, "Well, let's work on your accent a little bit more." He's got this way about him that's wonderful.
He's a great listener; [he] doesn't forget a name. You could be some complex five-syllable name and he'd remember [it]. He's extraordinary that way. As far as a director and his techniques, no two days were the same. One day you could come out there and it'd be real intimate and another day he's giving you line readings. I enjoyed not knowing what he was going to do. One day he'd say, "Jim, we don't have a scene yet put down today, I don't have anything written, but maybe I know something needs to be done there between you and Sean (Penn), and so we're gonna try our best to figure it out." So, we'd sit down and thoroughly think through a scene that's not even there yet. It could be real controlled chaos, some days.
He likes to keep the actors around him, like we're paints. Some of the guys would complain. Maybe we're up a hill and have to hike and it'd be like 40 minutes away from where our trailers were, so he needed us right there. But it was really hard because of the heat -- you know, 100 degrees every day, humidity was real hard -- and he'd keep you by him like you were a paint and that's how he did it. And then, when he was done, he'd just kind of painted this piece of art, this film.
You're kind of new to this business. What's going through your mind when you find out you're going to be in a Terrence Malick film, with all of these famous actors, playing one of the leading roles?
It's an incredible [feeling]... it's a miracle. I definitely won a lottery, at least for now. No words could describe what a great experience.... Terry Malick had the courage to give me this role. He didn't have to. There were plenty of guys who were much better-suited, [who] had way more credentials than I did. I hadn't proven to him that I could do this role, only the two auditions I'd done on video. But he put his reputation on the line for me and there are no words to describe what a wonderful experience it was, working with him.
Did he explain to you why you were chosen?
No. He wouldn't do that. Maybe it's a sense of we're a lot alike. Every character in the film, as you get to know them -- each guy in the film, the essence of who they are -- is a lot like their character. Now, I'm not saying that I'm as good as my character, because I'm not. But I do believe in a better day. I try to be the best man I can for the day. I love my country. I am a humanitarian, so maybe it was those things that we were similar on (sic). And Sean Penn, maybe, you know, he's so much like [his character] Welsh. He can be such a viper, but in the next sense he could be picking you up and carrying you over his shoulder. I don't know if it made the [movie], but him running out there and picking that guy up is very much like him. And you love him. And there are times when you want to hit him, but there are other times you want to just kiss and hug him. You'd do anything for him.
Did you ever think that you wouldn't get here? Did you ever think of just giving up acting?
I didn't want to quit acting, but I felt like it was impossible. I realized that I knew I wasn't going to change who I was as a person. I had a strong sense of who I was, always have, and I was much happier in staying the way I am, in the way God intended me to be, instead of changing to fit my generation or the area, Hollywood, that we're always in. I needed to stay as close to home as I could, because what was important was being happy. What was important was when I found my wife. I married a woman who is much better than me, I'm very fortunate to be with her and I know I'll be happy with her the rest of my life. People have asked me, "There's a lot of temptations down here," but I said, "Use the best [temptation], go ahead and challenge me, go seek me out." I don't ever want you to print anything that says... I don't want it ever to come out that I've cheated on her. I don't want to ever do that. It's not something that I can afford to do. I would never go back to my wedding day and say that we had a great time. We were so in love, but I'm so much more in love with her now than I've ever been. And that is real happiness. I want to be closer to her as I get older. I've had too many good examples in both directions. People who say, "Well, there's probably something out there that I'm missing, so I need to try some [of them]." You know, I'm just telling you what I've found that I know I can be happy.
What would you have done if you quit acting?
Well, I'd probably have gone into [the] chiropractic [field], like my dad. And I'd probably have done theater on the side, you know? But yeah, I've really got into my kids, like he did. He invested a heck of a lot of time, and my mom, especially, who was always there for us and we're very tight today because of it. We're a real strong unit. My father had open-heart surgery about five months ago and I was devastated. We didn't know if he was going to make it. He's not a man so much to tell you, I mean, I've never seen him cry. But I said, "I'm scared," and I could tell he was, 'cause his hand was shaking and he said, "Well, if I go, it's because God wanted me to, because I don't want to. I want to see The Thin Red Line, I want to see your film."
If this movie makes you a big star, how hard is it going to be to maintain this attitude you have?
Well, it's like I said, there are some things in your life that you can't do. If people ask me, I don't plan on going to strip clubs, I don't want to be tempted, so I won't go there. I don't want to be [tempted]. If I'm around a woman who I know I would want to be with, physically, if that was an attractedness, I would just make sure I'm in the public, so I wouldn't do something (sic). I'd try to put myself in a situation where it's not going to happen. Do I have feelings of physicalness around other females? Well, sure, I mean, I'm as human as anybody, but the big thing is I'm not going to act on it. And I try to [think], if it gets in my mind, it's like, "Hey, stop."
Have you seen Saving Private Ryan?
Yes. I did. I've seen it three times. It's a masterpiece. Someone asked me earlier, "Do you not want that film to do as well?" and I said, "Absolutely not." The big thing is that I'd like for my generation and the generations to come, to see how bad war can be. To see the 50 million people die, [more than] 54, 56 million people died in WWII. To see what these veterans went through... let us not do it again. After going to Guadalcanal and then coming to watch Pvt. Ryan, I wept. But first, I was numb. I walked out of there, and maybe 14 hours later, I just broke down. I saw the veterans there, when they came to Guadalcanal. A couple of them came up and were saying, "Hello," and one of them turned around and I could hear him crying. And he goes, "I apologize," and I go, "No. You don't apologize." And he goes, "No. You don't understand. You are us. You look like us. This area... we were here."
Can you tell us about your experience with the WWII veterans?
I spent time with the veterans, right before the filming, in Kentucky, where I did a lot of my research. And spent time with the boys there, who told me what it was like before growing up, they say, you know, "I walked a couple of miles to school everyday [and] walked back." Some guys walked five miles. They carried guns, nobody messed around with anybody. They'd hunt a lot, and [have] chicken farms. There was always plenty to eat, but they were always poor. How intimate do you want me to get?
Were the veterans watching on the set?
No. They didn't. Those guys were just telling me the experience in Guadalcanal and in the Philippines and some of them told me about Germany and D-Day. But the actual veterans, there are all these guys going uphill to [make] pilgrimages to Guadalcanal. A lot of them have to get through what happened. It was so devastating. Many of them were coming and seeing where their comrades had dropped and died.
And they were welcome?
Oh, yeah. Terry would welcome them anytime they came out there. Terry would even say, "Well, do you see anything here that you would change?" That's where Malick is smart, he knows where he can use experience, and these veterans were that.
Did anyone in your family fight in WWII?
Two of my uncles were in Vietnam, my great-uncle was in WWI, I had cousins in WWII, but as far as my mom's brothers, they missed that part. They were too old. Even more devastating was the Battle of the Sun. We weren't involved with that, with the machine gun, they'd never dealt with machine guns. They'd get up and run out of trenches and you'd lose a couple hundred thousand [soldiers] in a matter of a week.
Can you tell us what the title, The Thin Red Line means?
That line of being sane and insane, that fine line. And the thin red line that you go through. I wanted to tell you about that, some guys get Superman Syndrome. That's how they deal with it. Some guys go insane, they do go insane. They go into a mental ward. They can't handle it anymore. Some guys could never take somebody's life. Nobody wants to, it's just kill or be killed. But it would be the fine line of sane and insane.
审校：纯良多水仙人掌是Mello不是个瓜
JC通过“演” 去获得一个演戏的机会。在他年轻的时候曾设计让人们认为他是一个刚移民来的意大利人，从而在电影《我私人的爱达荷》中获得一个小角色。接着他被茱利亚艺术学院录取，随后不久在《执法悍将》中与Kevin Costner 同台演出。JC 谈论了他和著名影星例如Sean Penn，Nick Nolte 以及那位传奇导演Terrence Malick的合作的感受。他也提到了对《拯救大兵瑞恩》的看法，并解释了退出演艺界的可能性与其他希望从事的职业。
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■ 让我们先谈谈《细细的红线》这部电影的导演Terrence Malick，他究竟是个怎样的人?
他是个非常非常和善的人，就算是临时演员，他都会像对我、Sean Penn 、Nick Nolte一样一视同仁。作为一个导演他就像一个农夫，他会确保土壤已经达到了最适宜种植的程度，而我们就像他的庄稼，他细心照料的庄稼。他工作起来很用心，一般会从早上四点半一直到晚上十二点，而且还经常打电话说:“我们还得在你的口音上多下些功夫。“ 这作风非常好。
同时他还是个伟大的倾听者，记名字很有一套。就算你的名字超长超拐他也能记住，非常厉害。并且他导演的方式方法每天都在变化，某一天你也许会觉得这个人很好相处，而另一天他又会变得非常教条。不过我很喜欢这种不知道下一秒他会有什么变化的感觉。就像有一天他对我说:“Jim，今天还没定布景，而且我手头也没剧本，不过我大概清楚你和Sean之间肯定有点什么，所以就让我们来努力想想清楚吧。”接着我们就坐下然后不断假想这个还不存在的场景。
这真的是控制状态下的混乱，他还喜欢让我们就像画作一样在他周围立着。有些人会抱怨。比如我们得爬上山，然后步行到距离拖车40分钟脚程的地方，就因为他想看到我们在那儿。不过这其实很困难，因为那里很热，每天华氏大概100度（约37.8摄氏度），并且湿度又非常大。他呢就会让你在那里像一幅他正在描绘的画一样保持着。而当他结束了他的创作，他也就完成了这个作品，这个场景。
■ 作为一个新人，当你知道你要和一群知名影星一起演Terrence Malick的电影,同时还要担任一个重要角色的时候是怎么想的？
难以置信，简直就是个奇迹。我绝对是中了头彩，至少现在是。没有语言能够形容那段神奇的经历。Terry Malick敢于给我这样一个角色，其实他大可不必。有那么多比我更适合的人，而且他们资历更深。除开两次试演，我也没有证据向他证明过我可以胜任这个角色。但是他却肯用他的名誉来冒险，和他合作的这段经历美好的根本无法言喻。
■ 他有没有向你提过为什么会选择你？
他不会那样做，大概他只是直觉上觉得我和我所扮演的角色有些许相似的地方。其实当你了解了以后，你会发现这部电影中的演员都或多或少的和他们的角色有相似之处。我不能说我跟我所扮演的人物一样伟大，毕竟我不是他。但是我也对未来抱有信心。我一直努力做到最好。我爱我的国家，我坚持人道主义，这也许就是我和我的角色的相似之处。
而Sean Penn，他也像极了他所扮演的人物Welsh。他凶猛起来就像一条毒蛇，但在下一个场景他又可以抓起你把你扛到他肩上。我不知道电影的灵感是不是这样来的，但是他跑出去然后扛起那个人的场面其实就是他本人会做的事。他这个人吧，你爱他，有时恨不得揍他，有时就想抱着他狂啃。你为了他可以做任何事。【看到男神对着别人男人发表激烈情感言论的时候，是翻译最开心的时候好嘛，要强烈的把男神的情感更加放大~~然后打开大家的脑洞~~~（泥垢】
■ 你有没有想过你不会有成就，有没有考虑过放弃演戏？
我不想放弃演戏，但是我也隐隐觉得自己不会出人头地。我发现我并不打算改变我自己，我一直都很清楚的知道我是谁。我并不想为了周围而改变，我喜欢按照上帝所赐于我样子来坚持自我。即使在好莱坞，我也会尽力保持着和在家中一样的状态，对我来说快乐和开心就是最重要的。就像我遇到了我的妻子，她是个比我好太多的人。我是何其幸运才能与她在一起，我知道我接下来的人生都会因为她的存在而变得幸福美满。有人对我说：“这里到处都是诱惑。”我对他们说：“拿出最难以抗拒的诱惑，来挑战我试试看。”我不是故作清高，我只是不想对妻子不忠，我永远不会欺骗她，我承担不起谎言的后果。我绝不会回忆着婚礼去感叹什么“我们曾经如此相爱”，我们确实曾经相爱，但现在我爱她更深。这才是真正的幸福。我想和她相守着慢慢变老。但无论相守与否，每个生活方式都有各自的好处。比如有人会说：“嘿，谁知道外面是不是还有我没试过的，我得尝尝看。”但是我要告诉你，我已经找到于我而言的幸福。
■ 如果你放弃了演戏你会做什么？
大概会像我父亲一样当一个脊椎按摩师。也许我会将演戏当作一个兼职。但我现在也像我父亲一样将心思放在了我孩子的身上。我父亲在我们身上投入了大把的时间。尤其还有我的母亲，正是她一如既往的陪伴着我们才让我们一家人关系仍旧亲密。五个月前我父亲做了心脏手术，我简直吓坏了，我们都不知道他能不能挺过来。他是个沉默内敛的人，我从没见他哭过。我告诉他“我很害怕”的时候，我发现他也是，因为他的手在颤抖，他说：“如果我离开，那是上帝的旨意，但我想活着，我还要看《细细的红线》，我还要看你演的电影。“
■ 如果这部电影以后让你变得非常出名，你觉得继续保持自我会有多难？
我曾说过，一生中有很多事你永远都不会去做。如果有人问起，比如就像我从不打算去脱衣舞夜总会，我不想受到诱惑，所以我不会去那里。如果我身边有个吸引我的女人，生理上，我会有冲动，但是我会确保身处于公共场合，这样我就不会做什么。我会控制自己，任何事都不会发生。你要问我有没有对其他女人有过感觉，那我肯定有。我是正常人，和别人没什么不同，区别是我不会有行动。我会自我克制，如果有了杂念，我会对自己说“嘿，想都别想。“
■ 你看过《拯救大兵瑞恩么》？
我看了三遍，这是个杰作。有人之前问我：“ 你是不是并不希望这部电影能表现得这么好？”我说：“当然不是。“ 我认为最重要的是要让每一代人都意识到战争的残忍。超过5600万人死于二战，这些军人的经历警示我们不能再重蹈覆辙。
当我从瓜达康纳尔岛（Guadalcanal）回来，之后再看这部片子的时候，我哭了。一开始我只是感到麻木，直到14个小时后，我才崩溃了。我在岛上看到了那些退伍的军人，一对老兵向我打招呼，其中一个打完招呼然后转过身，我听见了他的哭声，接着他道歉，我说不要道歉，接着他说道：“不，你不明白，你就是我们，这里，在这个我们曾经呆过的地方，你让我想起了我们自己。”
■ 你能讲讲和二战那些退伍军人相处感受么？
电影开拍前，在肯塔基州我花过一段时间和这些老兵相处，我还做了很多调查。我和那里的男孩子们相处了一段时间，他们告诉我在那里长大是怎样的。他们说：“我以前每天上下学大概要来回走几英里。“有些孩子每天要走五英里，他们要扛着枪，没有人会来找碴。他们会经常打猎， 有自己的养鸡场，虽然有足够的食物但是他们还是很贫苦。我也只能了解到这么多。？
■ 那些老兵们会在片场看着么？
不，这些人只是告诉我他们的经历，比如在瓜达康纳尔岛以及菲律宾群岛，有些还会跟我讲讲德国以及诺曼底登陆。但真正的退伍军人，都会爬上瓜达康纳尔岛的小山去朝拜。他们熬过的那段日子，几乎要摧毁他们。很多人来朝拜是为了看看战友牺牲的地方。
■ 他们受欢迎么？
是的，每次他们出现的时候Terry都会非常欢迎他们，他还经常会问这些老兵：“你们认为这里还需要什么改进么？”这就是Malick的聪明之处，他知道可以怎样充分运用这些老兵的经历。
■ 你家里有人参与过二战么？
我两个叔叔在曾在越南呆过，我叔祖父经历过一战，二战的时候是我的几个表亲。至于我母亲的兄弟们，他们没有参战，因为当时他们已经太老了。更惨烈的是当时的太阳战役。我们没有机关枪，他们甚至都没有遇到过机关枪。他们只能爬起来跑出战壕，在短短一周内可能就会失去几百上千的兄弟。
■ 《细细的红线》这个题目寓意是什么呢？
这是一个理智与疯狂的细线。人们穿过的那条红线，我希望你知道，有些人因此患上了超人综合症。他们只能这样来承受。有些人疯了，真的疯了，他们被送到精神病院，他们没法再控制自己。有些人永远不会去伤害别人的性命，没有人想伤害别人，然而不杀人就会被杀。这就会成为理智与疯狂之间细细的那条线。
原文：
A Fine Line to Stardom
David Poland
Rougt Cut 1999.01.13
Caviezel describes his experiences with Malick and war
Jim Caviezel needed to "act" to get into acting. While a teenager, he tricked casting agents into thinking he was a recent Italian immigrant to get a small role in My Own Private Idaho. He was later accepted into the performing arts school, Juilliard, and soon afterward starred opposite Kevin Costner in Wyatt Earp. Caviezel talks about his experiences working alongside big-name stars such as Sean Penn and Nick Nolte and reclusive director Terrence Malick. He also notes his reaction to Saving Private Ryan and explains his alternate choice in profession, should he quit acting.
Let's start with the great mystery of The Thin Red Line. What's Terrence Malick really like?
He is an extremely kind, kind man. You would see an extra walk along and he would treat the extras as well as he would treat me or Sean Penn or Nick Nolte or anybody. As far as a director is concerned, he's like a farmer. He likes to make sure the soil is tilled right and we're, like, his crop. He really takes care of his crop. He works real hard. He works from, like, 4:30 in the morning till 12 at night, and it's never done. And he's always calling you up and saying that, "Well, let's work on your accent a little bit more." He's got this way about him that's wonderful.
He's a great listener; [he] doesn't forget a name. You could be some complex five-syllable name and he'd remember [it]. He's extraordinary that way. As far as a director and his techniques, no two days were the same. One day you could come out there and it'd be real intimate and another day he's giving you line readings. I enjoyed not knowing what he was going to do. One day he'd say, "Jim, we don't have a scene yet put down today, I don't have anything written, but maybe I know something needs to be done there between you and Sean (Penn), and so we're gonna try our best to figure it out." So, we'd sit down and thoroughly think through a scene that's not even there yet. It could be real controlled chaos, some days.
He likes to keep the actors around him, like we're paints. Some of the guys would complain. Maybe we're up a hill and have to hike and it'd be like 40 minutes away from where our trailers were, so he needed us right there. But it was really hard because of the heat -- you know, 100 degrees every day, humidity was real hard -- and he'd keep you by him like you were a paint and that's how he did it. And then, when he was done, he'd just kind of painted this piece of art, this film.
You're kind of new to this business. What's going through your mind when you find out you're going to be in a Terrence Malick film, with all of these famous actors, playing one of the leading roles?
It's an incredible [feeling]... it's a miracle. I definitely won a lottery, at least for now. No words could describe what a great experience.... Terry Malick had the courage to give me this role. He didn't have to. There were plenty of guys who were much better-suited, [who] had way more credentials than I did. I hadn't proven to him that I could do this role, only the two auditions I'd done on video. But he put his reputation on the line for me and there are no words to describe what a wonderful experience it was, working with him.
Did he explain to you why you were chosen?
No. He wouldn't do that. Maybe it's a sense of we're a lot alike. Every character in the film, as you get to know them -- each guy in the film, the essence of who they are -- is a lot like their character. Now, I'm not saying that I'm as good as my character, because I'm not. But I do believe in a better day. I try to be the best man I can for the day. I love my country. I am a humanitarian, so maybe it was those things that we were similar on (sic). And Sean Penn, maybe, you know, he's so much like [his character] Welsh. He can be such a viper, but in the next sense he could be picking you up and carrying you over his shoulder. I don't know if it made the [movie], but him running out there and picking that guy up is very much like him. And you love him. And there are times when you want to hit him, but there are other times you want to just kiss and hug him. You'd do anything for him.
Did you ever think that you wouldn't get here? Did you ever think of just giving up acting?
I didn't want to quit acting, but I felt like it was impossible. I realized that I knew I wasn't going to change who I was as a person. I had a strong sense of who I was, always have, and I was much happier in staying the way I am, in the way God intended me to be, instead of changing to fit my generation or the area, Hollywood, that we're always in. I needed to stay as close to home as I could, because what was important was being happy. What was important was when I found my wife. I married a woman who is much better than me, I'm very fortunate to be with her and I know I'll be happy with her the rest of my life. People have asked me, "There's a lot of temptations down here," but I said, "Use the best [temptation], go ahead and challenge me, go seek me out." I don't ever want you to print anything that says... I don't want it ever to come out that I've cheated on her. I don't want to ever do that. It's not something that I can afford to do. I would never go back to my wedding day and say that we had a great time. We were so in love, but I'm so much more in love with her now than I've ever been. And that is real happiness. I want to be closer to her as I get older. I've had too many good examples in both directions. People who say, "Well, there's probably something out there that I'm missing, so I need to try some [of them]." You know, I'm just telling you what I've found that I know I can be happy.
What would you have done if you quit acting?
Well, I'd probably have gone into [the] chiropractic [field], like my dad. And I'd probably have done theater on the side, you know? But yeah, I've really got into my kids, like he did. He invested a heck of a lot of time, and my mom, especially, who was always there for us and we're very tight today because of it. We're a real strong unit. My father had open-heart surgery about five months ago and I was devastated. We didn't know if he was going to make it. He's not a man so much to tell you, I mean, I've never seen him cry. But I said, "I'm scared," and I could tell he was, 'cause his hand was shaking and he said, "Well, if I go, it's because God wanted me to, because I don't want to. I want to see The Thin Red Line, I want to see your film."
If this movie makes you a big star, how hard is it going to be to maintain this attitude you have?
Well, it's like I said, there are some things in your life that you can't do. If people ask me, I don't plan on going to strip clubs, I don't want to be tempted, so I won't go there. I don't want to be [tempted]. If I'm around a woman who I know I would want to be with, physically, if that was an attractedness, I would just make sure I'm in the public, so I wouldn't do something (sic). I'd try to put myself in a situation where it's not going to happen. Do I have feelings of physicalness around other females? Well, sure, I mean, I'm as human as anybody, but the big thing is I'm not going to act on it. And I try to [think], if it gets in my mind, it's like, "Hey, stop."
Have you seen Saving Private Ryan?
Yes. I did. I've seen it three times. It's a masterpiece. Someone asked me earlier, "Do you not want that film to do as well?" and I said, "Absolutely not." The big thing is that I'd like for my generation and the generations to come, to see how bad war can be. To see the 50 million people die, [more than] 54, 56 million people died in WWII. To see what these veterans went through... let us not do it again. After going to Guadalcanal and then coming to watch Pvt. Ryan, I wept. But first, I was numb. I walked out of there, and maybe 14 hours later, I just broke down. I saw the veterans there, when they came to Guadalcanal. A couple of them came up and were saying, "Hello," and one of them turned around and I could hear him crying. And he goes, "I apologize," and I go, "No. You don't apologize." And he goes, "No. You don't understand. You are us. You look like us. This area... we were here."
Can you tell us about your experience with the WWII veterans?
I spent time with the veterans, right before the filming, in Kentucky, where I did a lot of my research. And spent time with the boys there, who told me what it was like before growing up, they say, you know, "I walked a couple of miles to school everyday [and] walked back." Some guys walked five miles. They carried guns, nobody messed around with anybody. They'd hunt a lot, and [have] chicken farms. There was always plenty to eat, but they were always poor. How intimate do you want me to get?
Were the veterans watching on the set?
No. They didn't. Those guys were just telling me the experience in Guadalcanal and in the Philippines and some of them told me about Germany and D-Day. But the actual veterans, there are all these guys going uphill to [make] pilgrimages to Guadalcanal. A lot of them have to get through what happened. It was so devastating. Many of them were coming and seeing where their comrades had dropped and died.
And they were welcome?
Oh, yeah. Terry would welcome them anytime they came out there. Terry would even say, "Well, do you see anything here that you would change?" That's where Malick is smart, he knows where he can use experience, and these veterans were that.
Did anyone in your family fight in WWII?
Two of my uncles were in Vietnam, my great-uncle was in WWI, I had cousins in WWII, but as far as my mom's brothers, they missed that part. They were too old. Even more devastating was the Battle of the Sun. We weren't involved with that, with the machine gun, they'd never dealt with machine guns. They'd get up and run out of trenches and you'd lose a couple hundred thousand [soldiers] in a matter of a week.
Can you tell us what the title, The Thin Red Line means?
That line of being sane and insane, that fine line. And the thin red line that you go through. I wanted to tell you about that, some guys get Superman Syndrome. That's how they deal with it. Some guys go insane, they do go insane. They go into a mental ward. They can't handle it anymore. Some guys could never take somebody's life. Nobody wants to, it's just kill or be killed. But it would be the fine line of sane and insane.
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